Comments on: There’s an Election Next Week?: The Appeal’s Oversimplified Guide to the State Propositions http://sfappeal.com/2009/05/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions/ SF Appeal: San Francisco's Online Newspaper Sun, 06 May 2018 15:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.24 By: Jeremy_ofSF http://sfappeal.com/2009/05/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions/#comment-8892 Fri, 15 May 2009 17:06:51 +0000 http://example.org/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions#comment-8892 Weird, I tried to post this comment yesterday afternoon, but apparently no luck . . . . These propositions are so friggin shady.

1A has nothing to do with this year’s budget. The Legislative Analyst says, “Although Proposition 1A was passed as part of the package to balance the 200910 budget, it would not significantly affect this years budget.”

Paul and //// are right: 1D and 1E are shell games. 1D takes money from First Five and uses it to pay for another child health services program. That frees up money from the general fund to be used for other stuff. The net result is less money for children’s services, but the deceptive ballot language says it’s more money for kids. Shady!

1E does the same type of thing. It takes money from the Prop 63 fund and uses it to pay for a federally mandated mental health screening program that we would have to pay for anyway out of the general fund.

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By: Jeremy_ofSF http://sfappeal.com/2009/05/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions/#comment-23523 Fri, 15 May 2009 17:06:51 +0000 http://example.org/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions#comment-23523 Weird, I tried to post this comment yesterday afternoon, but apparently no luck . . . . These propositions are so friggin shady.

1A has nothing to do with this year’s budget. The Legislative Analyst says, “Although Proposition 1A was passed as part of the package to balance the 200910 budget, it would not significantly affect this years budget.”

Paul and //// are right: 1D and 1E are shell games. 1D takes money from First Five and uses it to pay for another child health services program. That frees up money from the general fund to be used for other stuff. The net result is less money for children’s services, but the deceptive ballot language says it’s more money for kids. Shady!

1E does the same type of thing. It takes money from the Prop 63 fund and uses it to pay for a federally mandated mental health screening program that we would have to pay for anyway out of the general fund.

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By: //// http://sfappeal.com/2009/05/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions/#comment-8891 Thu, 14 May 2009 23:10:15 +0000 http://example.org/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions#comment-8891 Rita, Paul pretty much has it right — the bullet points in the Voter Information Guide are kindasorta misleading at best. Both 1D and 1E take money out of special pools we’ve voted on in the past. See the Legislative Analyst’s bullet points under each prop and you’ll see the phrase “corresponding reduction(s) in funding.” Bingo. And now the shameless plug: For more on the ballot propositions, including recommendations, read Mad Props at mahnamahna.net each election. 🙂

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By: //// http://sfappeal.com/2009/05/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions/#comment-23522 Thu, 14 May 2009 23:10:15 +0000 http://example.org/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions#comment-23522 Rita, Paul pretty much has it right — the bullet points in the Voter Information Guide are kindasorta misleading at best. Both 1D and 1E take money out of special pools we’ve voted on in the past. See the Legislative Analyst’s bullet points under each prop and you’ll see the phrase “corresponding reduction(s) in funding.” Bingo. And now the shameless plug: For more on the ballot propositions, including recommendations, read Mad Props at mahnamahna.net each election. 🙂

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By: Paul Hogarth http://sfappeal.com/2009/05/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions/#comment-8890 Thu, 14 May 2009 19:17:12 +0000 http://example.org/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions#comment-8890 In 1998, voters passed a cigarette tax (Prop 10) to fund the “First Five” program. While taking money out of that program and re-directing it to the General Fund (which is what Prop 1D would do) could theoretically go to health programs for OTHER children, it’s still robbing Peter to pay Paul.

In 2004, voters passed an income tax on millionaires (Prop 63) to fund mental health programs. The mandate was that it be “new” programs, and the state could not just cut mental health programs elsewhere — and then use Prop 63 money to “substitute” for mental health. Which is exactly what Arnold tried to do in 2007, but got spanked for it because it was illegal. Again, Prop 1E could re-direct Prop 63 money to fund existing mental health programs — but it’s still robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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By: Paul Hogarth http://sfappeal.com/2009/05/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions/#comment-23521 Thu, 14 May 2009 19:17:12 +0000 http://example.org/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions#comment-23521 In 1998, voters passed a cigarette tax (Prop 10) to fund the “First Five” program. While taking money out of that program and re-directing it to the General Fund (which is what Prop 1D would do) could theoretically go to health programs for OTHER children, it’s still robbing Peter to pay Paul.

In 2004, voters passed an income tax on millionaires (Prop 63) to fund mental health programs. The mandate was that it be “new” programs, and the state could not just cut mental health programs elsewhere — and then use Prop 63 money to “substitute” for mental health. Which is exactly what Arnold tried to do in 2007, but got spanked for it because it was illegal. Again, Prop 1E could re-direct Prop 63 money to fund existing mental health programs — but it’s still robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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By: Rita http://sfappeal.com/2009/05/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions/#comment-8889 Thu, 14 May 2009 18:59:02 +0000 http://example.org/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions#comment-8889 well, hello, Paul! You are always so kind! So…. okay, maybe I’m dense, but are you sure about those?

For 1A, sure, I agree, the dividing up of the money is screwy, I’m not even touching that. But basically, it puts a certain amount of money in a lockbox like a rainy-day fund, and in exchange, frees up a certain amount of money to balance this year’s budget. I think we agree on that.

For 1D, though, the bill says it will redirect money from early education funds (which I’m calling “kids over 5” for pithiness) to fund health and human services for children 5 years old and younger. Am I missing something there?

And for 1E, the bill says it’ll move money from other areas of the budget to pay for mental health services for young adults and children. Maybe the confusion we’re having that some of the money they’re moving is from mental health services for older people to fund mental health services for kids? Or am I missing something in the actual text of the bill? (I’m working off the summaries of the bill, because I’m too lazy to wade through the actual legislative text).

Anyways, help me out here! I’m always trying to learn!

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By: Rita http://sfappeal.com/2009/05/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions/#comment-23520 Thu, 14 May 2009 18:59:02 +0000 http://example.org/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions#comment-23520 well, hello, Paul! You are always so kind! So…. okay, maybe I’m dense, but are you sure about those?

For 1A, sure, I agree, the dividing up of the money is screwy, I’m not even touching that. But basically, it puts a certain amount of money in a lockbox like a rainy-day fund, and in exchange, frees up a certain amount of money to balance this year’s budget. I think we agree on that.

For 1D, though, the bill says it will redirect money from early education funds (which I’m calling “kids over 5” for pithiness) to fund health and human services for children 5 years old and younger. Am I missing something there?

And for 1E, the bill says it’ll move money from other areas of the budget to pay for mental health services for young adults and children. Maybe the confusion we’re having that some of the money they’re moving is from mental health services for older people to fund mental health services for kids? Or am I missing something in the actual text of the bill? (I’m working off the summaries of the bill, because I’m too lazy to wade through the actual legislative text).

Anyways, help me out here! I’m always trying to learn!

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By: Brock Keeling http://sfappeal.com/2009/05/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions/#comment-8888 Thu, 14 May 2009 18:16:18 +0000 http://example.org/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions#comment-8888 Brilliantly and expertly done, Rita. As always. You’re the only political writer in SF who lacks self-interest and can help me make sense of what’s going on.

Brava.

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By: Brock Keeling http://sfappeal.com/2009/05/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions/#comment-23519 Thu, 14 May 2009 18:16:18 +0000 http://example.org/theres-an-election-next-week-the-appeals-guide-to-the-state-propositions#comment-23519 Brilliantly and expertly done, Rita. As always. You’re the only political writer in SF who lacks self-interest and can help me make sense of what’s going on.

Brava.

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