Comments on: Hell on Two Wheels: Blinded by Science http://sfappeal.com/2009/11/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science/ SF Appeal: San Francisco's Online Newspaper Sun, 06 May 2018 15:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.24 By: johnny http://sfappeal.com/2009/11/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science/#comment-7545 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:23:21 +0000 http://example.org/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science#comment-7545 “I think [the bicycle] has done more to emancipate women than anything else in the world,” feminist pioneer Susan B. Anthony said in 1896. “It gives a woman a feeling of freedom and self-reliance. The moment she takes her seat she knows she can’t get into harm unless she gets off her bicycle, and away she goes, the picture of free, untrammeled womanhood.”

This is what the bike does for me, too, bitches.

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By: John Murphy http://sfappeal.com/2009/11/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science/#comment-7544 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:11:00 +0000 http://example.org/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science#comment-7544 “I have had plenty of near misses with bicyclists, and find them to be the biggest assholes about pedestrian safety.”

Pretty bold statement in light of this…

http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/11/10/among-walkable-regions-san-francisco-one-of-most-dangerous/

The biggest assholes about pedestrian safety, in order
1) MTA
2) Motorists
3) Cyclists
4) Pedestrians

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By: Greg Dewar http://sfappeal.com/2009/11/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science/#comment-7543 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:06:56 +0000 http://example.org/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science#comment-7543 I have had plenty of near misses with bicyclists, and find them to be the biggest assholes about pedestrian safety. They ride their bikes on the sidewalk, and crash through stop signs, without a care for us, the walker, who is most likely to get hurt by both cars and bikes.

I realize San Franciscans have a reflexive tendency to embrace a selfish, “me first” philosophy, instead of trying to operate in an urban environment the way those in other cities do – common courtesy, respect, and following a few basic rules so everyone can get where they want safely. But that would never fly here – people’s self righteousness and self centeredness trump any real cooperation.

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By: sagitta100 http://sfappeal.com/2009/11/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science/#comment-7542 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:03:43 +0000 http://example.org/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science#comment-7542 Many cyclist have figured out that by riding on the sidewalk, they can avoid those pesky stop signs.

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By: SF94122 http://sfappeal.com/2009/11/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science/#comment-7541 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:15:11 +0000 http://example.org/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science#comment-7541 Thanks for calling out the reverse situation. Whether on a bike or in a car, you’re going to encounter someone pulling stupid moves – sf drivers aren’t the best, and there are just so many cyclists..

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By: SF94122 http://sfappeal.com/2009/11/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science/#comment-7540 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:08:26 +0000 http://example.org/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science#comment-7540 Apparently you haven’t been to the Sunset, or the Richmond; we LOVE to roll through stop signs!

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By: Alex Zepeda http://sfappeal.com/2009/11/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science/#comment-7539 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:40:51 +0000 http://example.org/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science#comment-7539 The difficulty of overcoming inertia could be said for any mode of transportation. Feet, automobiles, roller skates, skateboard, sledding, etc. By that logic we should replace all stop signs with yield signs for everyone.

Stop signs serve a few useful purposes. First, if followed, they prevent people from colliding (be they on bicycles, sled dogs, driver’s seat, or what have you). Second, they slow down traffic. This is particularly desirable in residential areas where the goal is not necessarily to have the most efficient roads possible (see also speed bumps and traffic calming).

It’s a far less daunting task to cross a street like Moraga than it is to cross, for instance, Lincoln. This would be true even if all of the automobiles were replaced with bicycles. Even if it won’t kill you, it will still hurt, and potentially injure you quite seriously if a bicycle and pedestrian collide at speed.

Are roundabouts a good idea? Perhaps. Is allowing bicycles to ignore traffic safety laws? No.

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By: Jackson West http://sfappeal.com/2009/11/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science/#comment-7538 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:36:02 +0000 http://example.org/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science#comment-7538 Some additional points. First, California drivers aren’t really in a position to complain about cyclists who don’t make full stops, since we are notorious for the “California roll.”

Second, I would actually suggest taking a look at whether stop signs are the best solution for traffic control at many intersections. I grew up in Seattle, where traffic circles are used extensively to control traffic speeds and intersection navigation, with no stop signs. And traffic safety studies have long suggested that roundabouts, as used widely in Europe, are safer than intersections controlled by traffic lights.

Thirdly, the issue of instability is not that cyclists will fall over at intersections. It’s that a cyclist at a full stop is much less able to avoid oncoming hazards from any direction because it puts them in the least maneuverable and most awkward position compared to being on the move.

I would support a change to traffic regulations like Idaho’s, which allows cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs. And, again, this debate seems to hinge on the perceived “lawlessness” of cyclists ignoring stop signs (when wanton disregard for traffic laws is not unique to any class of vehicle), not any actual consequences. If anything, cyclists going through stop signs, along with “careless” pedestrians, may actually force motorists to be more careful and aware when driving, providing a net benefit to traffic safety.

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By: Alex Zepeda http://sfappeal.com/2009/11/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science/#comment-7537 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:23:26 +0000 http://example.org/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science#comment-7537 So, if I don’t see anyone at an intersection and I’m in a car, I should just roll through? The defense that nobody was in danger wouldn’t fly in traffic court with a car, why should it with a bicycle? If you can’t keep from falling over at a stop sign, walk — don’t ride.

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By: Muni Diaries http://sfappeal.com/2009/11/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science/#comment-7536 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:27:14 +0000 http://example.org/hell-on-two-wheels-blinded-by-science#comment-7536 I ride my bike to and from work in San Francisco every day. My rule is: Assume the worst from cars. I’ll let others spend time educating the driving class on how to behave around bicyclists on the streets of San Francisco. Until the day when all cars magically see half-painted bicycle lanes and observe the fact that it’s easier to die while riding a bike than if you’re in the car that hits the bike, until that day, I ride defensively. I do not give a single car the benefit of the doubt. When drivers do see me, when they yield while turning right and thus crossing a bike line, I thank them.

But as it relates to this post, my point is this: Cyclists need to balance their selfish intent to ride totally efficiently at all times with a respect for the rules of traffic. Flaunting the rules only pisses drivers off, and exacerbates a situation of total disrespect and distrust. And that will just keep the situation humming along at a dangerous status quo.

I’ve been in cars where cyclists come flying through an intersection, almost to get hit by me or another car. It’s not cool being in the car in that situation. You put your life in danger, at my hands.

My advice to cyclists is to chill out, observe basic rules, only roll through stop signs slowly and after making triple-fucking-sure that no cars are coming. That, and seriously, give us all a break: Stopping at a red light and putting one foot on the ground for 10 seconds isn’t going to expend too much of your energy.

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