Comments on: Comedy of the Commons: Dolores Park http://sfappeal.com/2009/09/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park/ SF Appeal: San Francisco's Online Newspaper Sun, 06 May 2018 15:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.24 By: Doctor Popular http://sfappeal.com/2009/09/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park/#comment-22850 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:56:09 +0000 http://example.org/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park#comment-22850 I don’t see anybody saying that the park is “dying”. Littered? Yeah. Torn up. Ditto. But this is the only time I’ve seen it described as dying.

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By: Doctor Popular http://sfappeal.com/2009/09/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park/#comment-9450 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:56:09 +0000 http://example.org/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park#comment-9450 I don’t see anybody saying that the park is “dying”. Littered? Yeah. Torn up. Ditto. But this is the only time I’ve seen it described as dying.

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By: jacksprat http://sfappeal.com/2009/09/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park/#comment-22849 Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:03:25 +0000 http://example.org/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park#comment-22849 I’ve had the same experience as the author with both G. Kramer & his cohort, Peter Lewis. Together they are president & vice president of the phony neighborhood group that claims to represent those of us who live in the area. Unfortunately, this neighborhood organization that “speaks” for us with our elected officials is not open to all neighbors nor do they hold “public” meetings. Some good can come out of the Dolores Park debate if it stirs someone into starting a true neighborhood organization that is open to the residents. In the meantime, this phony group should be stripped of any legitimate title to “neighborhood association”.

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By: jacksprat http://sfappeal.com/2009/09/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park/#comment-9449 Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:03:25 +0000 http://example.org/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park#comment-9449 I’ve had the same experience as the author with both G. Kramer & his cohort, Peter Lewis. Together they are president & vice president of the phony neighborhood group that claims to represent those of us who live in the area. Unfortunately, this neighborhood organization that “speaks” for us with our elected officials is not open to all neighbors nor do they hold “public” meetings. Some good can come out of the Dolores Park debate if it stirs someone into starting a true neighborhood organization that is open to the residents. In the meantime, this phony group should be stripped of any legitimate title to “neighborhood association”.

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By: dw.bg http://sfappeal.com/2009/09/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park/#comment-22848 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:41:46 +0000 http://example.org/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park#comment-22848 I was at this meeting on Wednesday night, and for the most part I agree with your assessment. The generation gap you mentioned was apparent, and at times it began to feel more like an airing of grievances than a progressive discussion.

My main reason for attending was my proximity to the park (I live on the corner of 18th and Church) and the fact that I tend to be at the park on almost a daily basis. That being said, I don’t think my location gives any more credence to my opinions about the park, but I was very curious to see what the perspective of others was.

At the end of it all, I’m not really sure what all hopes to be accomplished. I’m pretty sure my views fell into the minority grouping at the meeting. Music and noise from gatherings at the park doesn’t disturb me at all, it’s one of the reasons I was so stoked to be able to live across the street from the park. Also I’ve learned how to close a window.

What bothered me most about this meeting, though, was the underlying tendency to want to point the finger at certain “constituencies”, and the feeling that the park was being “overused” that many expressed. Singling out “hipsters” and “Mexicans” by some I found particularly disgraceful. Even the organizer, Gideon, told a story of a time he apparently asked “four Hispanic men” if they were going to clean up their beer cans. If the point of his story was that locals should be at the forefront of raising awareness in others to clean up after themselves, I really don’t see how the fact that the men were Hispanic had any relevance at all.

And that’s what worries me the most. I think peoples preconceived notions of what a park should be used for and about the diverse array of people who have come to love using the park are likely blurring their judgement in some respects. So far all there is to show for their efforts is some fresh manure on the ground and an annoyingly obtuse police presence.

However, I hope what does come out of all this is a raised awareness in people who use the park to be mindful of the neighbors who live around it, and to clean up after themselves.

Hopefully the actions of an inconsiderate few don’t ruin the beauty and enjoyment of the majority who use the park. And that applies to those on both sides of the debate.

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By: dw.bg http://sfappeal.com/2009/09/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park/#comment-9448 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:41:46 +0000 http://example.org/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park#comment-9448 I was at this meeting on Wednesday night, and for the most part I agree with your assessment. The generation gap you mentioned was apparent, and at times it began to feel more like an airing of grievances than a progressive discussion.

My main reason for attending was my proximity to the park (I live on the corner of 18th and Church) and the fact that I tend to be at the park on almost a daily basis. That being said, I don’t think my location gives any more credence to my opinions about the park, but I was very curious to see what the perspective of others was.

At the end of it all, I’m not really sure what all hopes to be accomplished. I’m pretty sure my views fell into the minority grouping at the meeting. Music and noise from gatherings at the park doesn’t disturb me at all, it’s one of the reasons I was so stoked to be able to live across the street from the park. Also I’ve learned how to close a window.

What bothered me most about this meeting, though, was the underlying tendency to want to point the finger at certain “constituencies”, and the feeling that the park was being “overused” that many expressed. Singling out “hipsters” and “Mexicans” by some I found particularly disgraceful. Even the organizer, Gideon, told a story of a time he apparently asked “four Hispanic men” if they were going to clean up their beer cans. If the point of his story was that locals should be at the forefront of raising awareness in others to clean up after themselves, I really don’t see how the fact that the men were Hispanic had any relevance at all.

And that’s what worries me the most. I think peoples preconceived notions of what a park should be used for and about the diverse array of people who have come to love using the park are likely blurring their judgement in some respects. So far all there is to show for their efforts is some fresh manure on the ground and an annoyingly obtuse police presence.

However, I hope what does come out of all this is a raised awareness in people who use the park to be mindful of the neighbors who live around it, and to clean up after themselves.

Hopefully the actions of an inconsiderate few don’t ruin the beauty and enjoyment of the majority who use the park. And that applies to those on both sides of the debate.

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By: cedichou http://sfappeal.com/2009/09/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park/#comment-22847 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:29:18 +0000 http://example.org/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park#comment-22847 Biggest problems with dolores park, as I see them: crappy, unenclosed kids playground (more of a safety hazard, actually; the leaky drain under the toddler swing set is a nice touch), and dog poop (despite the ubiquitous bag dispensers). I live six blocks away, but on the other side of liberty hill. Does that weight against my opinion?

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By: cedichou http://sfappeal.com/2009/09/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park/#comment-9447 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:29:18 +0000 http://example.org/comedy-of-the-commons-dolores-park#comment-9447 Biggest problems with dolores park, as I see them: crappy, unenclosed kids playground (more of a safety hazard, actually; the leaky drain under the toddler swing set is a nice touch), and dog poop (despite the ubiquitous bag dispensers). I live six blocks away, but on the other side of liberty hill. Does that weight against my opinion?

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